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Dian was appointed to the Air Force Academy the year before the military academies admitted
women for the first time, and by serving as a role model, was instrumental in her Congressman's efforts to get
women accepted into the academies. Instead, she went to college in Houston, at a small school called Rice
University (the worst football team in the country), on a Navy scholarship, and afterward spent 4 years in the navy,
where she was one of the 3 women in the first Explosive Ordnance Disposal class to accept women. Learning to disarm bombs is not only academically challenging but also a lot of physical hard work. EOD physical training is almost as tough as SEAL team training (in fact, there are often SEALs training with an EOD class). Part of being a Navy EOD requires hard-hat diving, and the old "brass hat" Mark V dive suits weigh several hundred pounds.
Dian is not married & has no children, although she has taken in foster children. She lives with 4 cats:
Stinker, Hellraiser, Kissy, and Ra King, is active in animal protection, and is also very interested in preserving
endangered species & cleaning up the environment. When not behind a desk or in front of a computer, Dian
can be found scuba diving, reading & writing science fiction, giving speeches as a Toastmaster, or
being involved in politics to promote equal opportunities & rights.
3.6.01 engineer NASA Kennedy Space Ctr I work in an office with many different kinds of engineers: electrical, computer, civil, you name it and we've got one. So whenever one of us is stumped on a problem, we have plenty of help to call on. We place a lot of importance on teamwork at the space centers, because launching a shuttle is such a complicated process that we couldn't do it without the best efforts of thousands of people. So whenever you're having trouble getting to your goal, don't be afraid to ask for help; that's how we get things done!
I went to college in Houston at Rice University. We had the worst football team in the country! The Navy paid for my
tuition, so I spent 4 years in the Navy after college to pay them back. I learned how to disarm bombs in the Navy,
so shuttle propellants don't seem all that dangerous or different to me. I came to Kennedy Space Ctr in 1984, so
I've seen most of the shuttle launches, incl the Challenger explosion.
Dian Hardison (Materials Science) Engineer 10.28.99 QuestChat archive DH I'd like to start this off by saying "thank you" to everyone who is interested in the space program. "Keeping the Dream Alive" requires more than just those of us who work behind the gates at the Space Ctrs. For example, without the interest that so many people expressed to their congressional representatives, the proposed NASA budget cut would very nearly have killed space exploration. Maybe you don't think of the space program affecting your everyday life, but believe me, we know we wouldn't be here without you!
AnnLucille What university courses were most relevant for your work today? Do you do research?
Any applications for our "everyday life" (quoting Oran) in your work? Do you work with OSHA?
As far as applications to the real world, well, nothing legal. I personally am an explosives expert. Although it does
help when I'm working around the house to know what materials are the best use for what. We do indeed work with
OSHA. (Oh, boy, do we.) We also interface quite a bit with other govt agencies, such as the time we had to design
a tanker to carry nitrogen tetroxide, Class A poison, over the public roads, and the Transportation Dept got heavily
involved (after they finished throwing fits.)
AnnLucille Do you have to continue to stay physically fit to do your work like when you were training
to disarm explosives?
Of course, peroxide is usually sold only in the 3% concentration, 10% at some health food stores, and we use it at
far higher concentrations, which tend to explode at any slightest excuse. Do not leave any of the sodium-based
cleaners in dry form lying around, because they absorb water from the air and eat holes in things.
Oran/NASAChatHost Ann, Dian has been experiencing some technical difficulties that maybe
slowing her response time to your questions. We apologize for the delay, and again thank you for your patience
today.
AnnLucille My main interest is cognitive development & educational applications. I was
previously funded by NSF; lately I've done projects ranging from changes in workmans' compensation laws to
comparing the best SUVs on the market..Mahalo for your very inspiring comments & best wishes.
Oran/NASAChatHost This concludes today's Women of NASA chat with Dian Hardison from NASA
Kennedy Space Ctr. Our very special thanks to Dian for her thoughtful & rich responses to our questions
today. Thank you, Dian!
8.5.97 Space Team Online While flushing out a molecular sieve. equipt used to remove iron & other contaminants from nitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) so that the contaminants won't get into the shuttle engine tubing, one of those backflow preventers failed. The problem was that it was inside the water pipelines, and there was no way to tell it was leaking.
The next day, the mechanics were rinsing off their hands & face in the safety shower when a puff of N2O4 gas
came out of the safety shower! This is a lot worse than finding half a worm in the apple you just bit into. N2O4 is
highly toxic, and causes burns on contact. We had to dig up the lines and replace the backflow preventer, then flush the whole system out. This is a pretty expensive way to water the lawn. Some people think working on the space program is glamorous & high-tech, but all too often it's the little things, like one leaky valve, that take up most of our day!
7.23.97 D.Hardison Space Team Online
Once it's in orbit, there won't be any "up" or "down," so on ground, it really doesn't have a floor or ceiling. It has to
be cradled in special support racks, and we have to make one-of-a-kind work stands to get into it without damaging
anything. Everyone will be very glad when we start launching the pieces of Space Station next year and get it up
where it's supposed to be!
4.4.97 D.Hardison Space Team Online We start each day with e-mail & papers to be reviewed. A few years ago, we didn't use e-mail very much. Now we absolutely depend on it to get notices of meetings, trade technical information, and communicate with large numbers of people, rather than have to make phone calls to everyone.
Sample activities:
Here's a design blueprint for the construction of a new building. Some rooms have to have special pipes to carry
hazardous gasses under high pressures to the test cells, and special monitors to detect those gasses in case of a
leak. I don't think we want to run that electrical wire through the same space as that pipe. And those lights are
going to have to be the sealed, explosion-proof kind.
Here's a proposal to make fertilizer out of the waste nitrogen tetroxide. Since N2O4 is very poisonous &
corrosive, it has to be disposed of in special stainless steel drums and in special hazardous waste landfills, which is
very expensive. It can be neutralized, though, and chemically converted into fertilizer, which would save us both the
cost of disposal and the cost of the fertilizer we now put on the orange groves. Other people in my office handle other areas of expertise: lightning, pressure vessels, radiation, computer control, construction, design of single-use hardware. In some ways it's an exciting job, but we prefer not to have too much excitement!
4.16.01 D.Hardison NASA "Hypergolic" means that 2 fluids ignite on contact with each other, without having to use anything else to start them burning. The shuttle uses nitrogen tetroxide & hydrazine in the engines it uses to maneuver while in orbit, so we never have to worry about those engines failing: just open the valves and the engines light up!
All 4 of these propellants are very dangerous, for different reasons, and require special equipt &
procedures to handle & store them. For example, the cryogens will freeze & break almost
anything on contact, including skin. Liquid hydrogen is incredibly explosive. Liquid oxygen supports
combustion in almost anything; we once had a car burn up completely because it entered an area where
there was just a small oxygen leak.
7.23.97 D.Hardison NASA DH The shuttle itself is primarily an aluminum frame, with composite (carbon matrix) skin. The parts needing structural strength, such as around the hatchway, are reinforced with steel.
Jason/California I read that the shuttle has tiles that keep it from heating up. What's the difference
between the tiles on the shuttle and the heat shield on the Mars spaceship?
John/Fremont How do you know what kinds of metals to use on the shuttle? What are the best
metals to use on the shuttle?
Jason/California Why are the tiles used if they are easily damaged? How much of the heat shield
burns away in the atmosphere?
Kelly/Fairfield I want to know how long it takes to build or repair parts of the shuttle.
John/Fremont What other kinds of space ships are you working on right now? Do you help decide
which metals to use on spaceships?
Farm Home Class Hi Die-Hard! What type of metal is used to withstand the tremendous heat at the
bottom of the shuttle rocket during liftoffs?
Kelly/Fairfield I heard that the Columbia is the oldest space shuttle. What kinds of things did you
need to do to keep it running so long?
John/Fremont I also heard that the big orange rocket on the shuttle burns up after each shuttle
launch. Is this true? What is it made of and why can't we build just one for all the shuttles?
Kelly/Fairfield What happens to the shuttle after it can't fly anymore? Do you use the parts from one
for another one?
Jason/California How long does it take to build another external tank after a shuttle launch?
Farm Home Class That's amazing about the water also controlling the shock-wave at liftoff! What
kind of research is currently being done on lighter propellants? Aren't the current propellants relatively heavy?
John/FremontHow thick does the shuttle have to be to keep the space junk from penetrating the hull? What
kinds of metals are used on the Mir Space Station that were damaged in the collision with the space ship?
The "skin" of the orbiter is made up of aluminum plates in some places, aluminum "honeycomb sandwich" in some
places, and graphite epoxy composite in some places. (There are also titanium fittings & Inconel hinges. The
skin may be as thin as 2mm and as thick as 6, according to what kind of stresses it has to take. The whole orbiter
weighs about 100 tons, world's heaviest glider!
Like almost everything in space, Mir is made mostly of aluminum. Most of it is sheet aluminum, anywhere from 2 to
5mm thick, over structural supports. There are steel reinforcements in areas such as the docking module ring, and
titanium is used sparingly for load-bearing fittings. Titanium is much heavier than steel, about the same as
lead.
Jason/California Where do you keep all the ETs when you're building them? They look pretty
big.
The ET is actually 3 components in one: a liquid oxygen tank located in the forward position; a liquid hydrogen tank
located aft; and an intertank assembly that connects the two propellant tanks and houses the forward solid rocket
booster attachment points. The ET weighs approximately 1,655,600 lbs when filled with propellants and 66,000 lbs
when empty. |
from DH Field Journal Index
5.25.00 Dian Hardison NASA
High-powered xenon spotlights' beams trained on the launch pad are blurred by the humidity, guaranteed to cost
you your night vision if you so much as glance to the east. Atlantis is heading for a supply & repair mission to
Space Station: 40 thousand lbs of antennas, cameras, life support equipt, that sort of thing.
It would have been "better, faster, and cheaper" to build the whole damn station ourselves (or to simply bring all the
intl engineers over and make them American citizens), if Congress had the sense to appropriate the necessary
funds up front. Congress is always willing to force everyone except themselves and their own personal pork barrels
to operate on a shoestring. You cannot build a space station on a shoe string!
The count picks up at T-20 at 0507, one hour (more or less) until launch. The Station is in a highly elliptical orbit,
and slightly erratic due to drag, so the launch target keeps drifting back & forth by a minute or two. Hitting a
moving target is easy. Docking gently with a fragile port is the tricky part.
Countdown reaches the built-in T-minus-9 minute hold at 0518. Most of the hold is taken up with polling, each
manager badgering each system lead and each lead badgering each subsystem engineer before putting their own
"go" on the line to their Director. Which is as is should be. Everyone IS responsible.
The Station itself passes overhead at 0546, reaching its high point 30 degrees above us at 0550, just as the sky
begins to shade from black to cobalt. We search for it, but with only 2 pieces connected, it would take an extremely
sharp stargazer to locate it. One the solar panels are attached, you'll be able to see it just about every time, fully
assembled, Station will be bigger than 3 football fields.
The shuttle seems to come alive as the last-minute preparations begin, the details, in which the devil is. Vented
cryogens make the metals flex & waver in temperature differentials, as if she were breathing. Essential busses
are connected to fuel cells. The orbiter access arm, where the astronauts crawl into the shuttle, retracts. The
Auxiliary Power Unit recorders are started, then the APU prestart check; APUs have only about 5 minutes of full
power, and more than once we've had to hold at T-5 because of an APU problem. But this time the three APUs
come up green. T minus 5 minutes.
Any problems from here on would require a recycle to T minus 20, and since our launch window is only 5 minutes,
that would pretty much shoot the wad for today. Pressurize liquid oxygen tank, clear caution & warning signals
(again), no "unexpected" errors (again). Retract the oxygen vent arm (the "beanie cap"). From the ground comes
the order to "Close & lock visors and initiate oxygen flow."
People begin counting under their breath. 25. 20. 15. Minus 10, and the sparklers light off to burn off any stray
hydrogen. Minus 6, main engine start. They go steady & hot almost immediately, almost eagerly. Two. One.
The sudden brilliance drowns out the xenons, seems even to scare the sun back down a few degrees. Certainly it
gets darker as she clears the tower and pulls away. For all the millions of pounds, she's HAULING, eating up the
sky like a, like a, well, like a rocket.
The shockwave rattles the humid air, rattles everything. Bones & blood vibrate. Staring at the incredible
glowing colors of the contrail and the white star as the twinkling pinpoints of the SRBs drop away, barely able to
breathe against the sound, I FORGET TO RAISE MY BLOODY CAMERA until the sound fades and the star is
almost out of sight. A little after sunrise, we occasionally glance out the windows, not at the sunrise, but at the drifting, dispersing curlicues of cloud that was the contrail. Now it's all a pure, almost glowing white against the solid blue sky, like exotic art. And once again, I forget to take a picture.
2.17.99 Brandt Secosh Space Team Online What's going on with her new job? Dian is on a rotational assignment with the Design Engineering Directorate. This has turned out to be a very good way for her to keep up-to-date on the many new developments in the world of advanced flight vehicles. New ground support equipt is needed to analyze, develop, and test hardware & components to improve quality & safety in payload & launch processes that will be used on future launches from Kennedy Space Ctr. There is a lot going on within the directorate, such as the involvement with the X33, X34, and new propulsion systems.
Dian will be returning to her primary job in safety in the very near future. She believes that safety should continue
these rotational assignments so that each safety team member will have a better idea of what is going on within
each directorate. She points out that a lot has changed in her field since she began with safety 11 years ago.
One of the projects that Dian worked on during her assignment is the Chandra satellite, the Advanced X-Ray
Facility. Chandra will be the payload onboard STS-93. Chandra is one of the "Great Observatories," like the Hubble
Space Telescope & the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. Chandra will be in a higher orbit than the Hubble
(an elliptical orbit of 2,200 miles to 86,000 miles!), so it can't be visited & repaired by astronauts during its 5
year lifetime and must carry a large amount of hypergolic fuel & oxidizer. More about Chandra at
http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/payload/missions/axaf/
One of the questions Dian gets asked a lot is, "Are we going to live on the moon, or Mars?" The answer to that is,
"Yes, absolutely!" A lot depends on funding for the space program, and for scientific research in general, but you
can count on seeing people living & working in space & on other planets within the new century!
The shuttle is ready to go! Another job well done!
As an engineer working with hazardous materials & compatibility of materials, I am involved in
many different areas. Even though my specialty is explosive materials, my job is the opposite of what you may
think. I'm responsible for making sure that materials we use don't explode!
Another example is cryogenic ammonia. Cryogenic ammonia has fantastic cooling properties, but it is also
extremely dangerous. The ammonia you use in your house is only 2 or 3% and you know how bad it is to inhale
too much of that. The ammonia we use for cooling systems is 99%!
I have also been working with the many components of the Intl Space Station. Because many of the components
are constructed in different countries, the materials that are used need to be checked & verified for their
hazards & compatibility with the shuttle. Much equipt we use to support, transport and store equipt &
chemicals is one-of-a-kind and has to be designed from the ground up.
For example, if a product that is built by an Intl partner is to be mated with or used with a product built in the U.S.,
there is the possibility that it may not meet required specifications or even fit together. For that reason, each
component that is used for the ISS is checked as it arrives at Kennedy Space Ctr.
We have been very busy designing equipt that will meet these needs because the shuttle orbiter itself, despite
the fact that it can withstand launch forces & harsh extremes of space, is actually very easy to damage if it is
bumped wrong. Opening the hatch and installing equipt at the last minute is a very tricky operation! So when
you see a shuttle launch, and wonder why it's taking so long, remember that there are literally hundreds of
thousands of operations that have to go into getting a shuttle ready to fly, and each one of them has to be done
exactly right. That's our job!
2.9.99 D.Hardison NASA DH We like to think that everything we do, every day, is important. The hardest & most important work we did was after the Challenger disaster. We had to go through all our procedures & equipt to see where any potential problems were, and how we could keep anything like that from ever happening again. Even though we didn't launch for almost 3 years after Challenger, we were doing a lot of difficult, unhappy work with very little reward. Of course, all that paid off and was worth it when we finally launched Discovery, 2 years 8 months later.
Joel-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool What is the most complicated problem with the mechanical
parts when astronauts are in microgravity?
DH biggest hassle in microgravity inside the orbiter as there's nothing to push against if something
gets stuck. All the valves have to be designed to very close tolerances so that they won't leak, but also that they
won't jam.
Alex-Ms.Botero/HolyFamilySchool ] What did it feel like when you saw the Challenger explode?
Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool We appreciate your concern about the environment! How does
NASA dispose of contaminated propellents, since they are so toxic?
Leslie-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool From what experience since you have been at NASA have
you learned the most?
Joel-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool How did it feel when you learned that the probe to Mars was a
complete success?
Shannon-Shannon/STM Do you think we should or shouldn't spend more money on space
exploration? Why or why not?
Shannon-Shannon/STM Are there any job opportunities in Colorado?
shilo-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool What is the newest project that you will be working on?
Shannon-Shannon/STM What would you recommend to a young person wanting to work for
NASA?
Leslie-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool What is the project you enjoyed working on the most?
Maria-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool What obstacles have you had to overcome to get where you
are at?
Michela-Ms.Botero/HolyFamilySchool Was it hard to learn how to disarm bombs?
Joel-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool What kinds of things is NASA researching to explore the
ocean depths?
Shannon-Shannon/STM Do you believe in other intellegent life?
Kelly-Ms.Botero/HolyFamilySchool Do you find it hard to juggle your time with foster kids, your job,
your cats and your hobbies?
Shannon-Shannon/STM How many engineers are there @ NASA? What does it take to become
one?
Joel-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Were you excited when you saw the different galaxies in
photographs with the Hubble Telescope?
Shannon-Ms.Botero/HolyFamilySchool What kind of physical training do you do in EOD training
besides hard-hat diving?
Maria-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Do you think that we will be able to one day travel from here
to Mars or the moon as we do here between cities?
Shannon-Shannon/STM Did you start out as a child loving space and wanting to be a NASA
engineer?
VJ-Ms.Botero/HolyFamilySchool Were you treated differently than the other men because you are a
woman (during training)?
Joel-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Would you ask NASA to send me a scholarship to major in
AeroSpace Engineering?
Shannon-Shannon/STM In your opinion are manned or unmanned missions better? Why or why
not?
Florian-Florian/AMS I live in Austria. I donīt want to start a career as an astronaut, because I am more
interested in the development of space equipt or working in the mission control center. Is it possible for me to work
at Nasa?
Shannon-Shannon/STM What classes did you take in high school that effect your carreer
today?
Shannon-Shannon/STM What colleges would you recommend to be able to pursue a space
career?
Javier-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Will space trash left from the early shuttle missions
eventually lead to problems with future missions?
Joel-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool With the new technologies going into the 21st century do you
think NASA will make more hitech shuttles?
Leslie-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool How do you think fictional creations of books or movies will
effect NASA's creations in the future?
Rick-Ms.Botero/HolyFamilySchool How fast does the Space Shuttle go?
Maria-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool In order to work at NASA would I first have to join the military or the
Navy or go to school for many years?
Melissa-Ms.Botero/HolyFamilySchool Do you have any role models? |
Jillian-Ms.Botero/HolyFamilySchool How did you end up being appointed to the Air Force
Academy?
DH I bugged my Congressman, who was a bit of a contrarian himself, and wanted to do something
to shake up the status quo. I had wanted to be a pilot, but my vision wasn't good enough.
shilo-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Do you think that the computer problems with the year 2000
will affect NASA?
DH Oh, I hope not. We have enough problems with the computers as it is! No, seriously, that's one
of the few problems we're pretty sure we've taken care of. Now, if only the thing wouldn't crash on me every other
day.
shilo-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool How many hours do you put in an average day at NASA?
DH On an average day, 9 hours. On a launch day, all bets are off!
Joel-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool During your first years what was it like to work on hi-tech
things?
DH It wasn't really intimidating at all. You just asked questions, did the background research, and
jumped right in!
Maria-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Do astronomers work in conjunction with everyone else at
NASA? Do You know how difficult it is to be an astronomer and be hired by NASA?
DH Most astronomers work for universities or private firms. We share our reearch with them, and
they with us, of course, but they don't answer to us.
Leslie-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Do you work on designs to repair stations like the Meir from
Russia?
DH Sometimes we have to. When we had an astronaut on board Mir, they would call up just about
every hour with something else that had gone wrong, and want to know what to do about it.
Florian-Florian/AMS When will be the next space shuttle mission?
DH You would ask that just when the next one had been delayed. May, it looks like. We have a big
satellite (Chandra, the X-Ray Observatory) going up, and then another piece of the Space Station. Or maybe vice
versa, depending on what problems we run into in the next few months.
Sheena-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Do you think that a career as an engineer at NASA
demands an absolute focus on the job, or is there time for family?
DH We sure wouldn't have many people working here if they didn't have time for their family! In
fact, there are many husband-wife teams working out here, and several children of former workers now working
here. The focus on the job is vital when you're at work, but after hours, family is all-important.
Joel-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool When doing material eneneering what kind of explosive
materials do you work with?
DH The two hypergols we work with are nitrogen tetroxide (N2O4) & hydrazine (N2H4). If you
want to startle someone at a party, say "unsymmetrical dimethyl hydrazine" real fast. We also work with liquid
oxygen & liquid hydrogen in the main engines, and ammonium perchlorate in the solid rockets.
Maria-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool On average what does an aerospace engineer make a year
both starting salaries and after about ten years of working for NASA?
DH Starting, about 30,000. After ten years, 50K to 60K, depending on how fast you get promoted.
That's here in Florida, where the prices & salaries are relatively low. It's higher in Houston &
Washington.
Chase-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool In the future, how long do think it will be before NASA will
begin to focus on the possibility of inhabiting other planets within our solor system?
DH We plan to start working on a colony on the moon in 10 to 12 years, and on Mars in 15 to 20.
That's assuming we get the funding!
Crystal-CrystalOlson/WesternCarolina Do you work with any fuels (such as methylhydrazine?) If so,
how do you test them?
DH Yes indeed, and VEEERY CAREFULLY. We have a sampling lab especially set up to test for
purity. I can look up the exact reagents sometime if you want.
Sheena-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool About how many people in the medical field are employed
at NASA?
DH Our biomedical directorate & 3 clinics altogether employ about 150 people. I couldn't
speak offhand for the other Centers. Our medical specialists are also Industrial Hygiene specialists, so they're
cross-trainined in Environmental Health.
Chase-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool What kind of polymers are used in the construction of the
space shuttles now currently being used in NASA?
DH The tiles are a silicon-carbon polymer, in a resin matrix. The new external tank uses a wound
fiber.
Maria-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Have you ever wanted to go up into space after seeing what
impact it has made on the astronauts or do you feel that your place is here on Earth?
DH I would love to go up into space. But since the waiting list for that right now is kind of long, I'm
content to try to do my part here both for the space program, and for the other problems we may be able to help
solve.
Audra-Mrs.Doerrie/PerrytonHighSchool Do you think that being a NASA engineer is a hard job to
obtain?
DH Yes because like everything else in the govt these days, NASA is "downsizing." They're just not
hjiring as many people as they used to. Hopefully that will change, with the new space vehicles and more emphasis
on research and that the private companies will start going more into space exploration, too.
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